Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. Right away, the police asked her to go back to the crime scene even thoughshe did not want to leave her children behind. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. At the time Diane had told police that a stranger attempted to carjack her and shot the kids, and that's what her ex husband was told, too. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. The first two children were Diane's kids with her ex husband Steve Downs. However, their marriage wasnt as great as they anticipated as Steve was a player and quite irresponsible and immature at the time. WTF? It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. I encourage you to read all the facts before being so sure that she was guilty or that she acted alone. I had nonetheless heard of the legendary Diane Downs; the cruel sociopath who had sacrificed her own children to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she loved. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. I have plans to go hunting with the husband of one of the alternates.. This video of Jagger absolutely looks like the photo that you find on search engines for Fred Hugi. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. 0. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. The ballistics, gun, speed at which she drove the car, her demeanor, etc. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children: relevance? No worries. This is Budhu's story, as told to Kelly Burch . The most exciting thing about Steve is that he never appeared in public despite the immense case against his wife. Whether or not Steve Downs was in some way behind the shooting, the man who fired the weapon was a stranger to Diane. Are you still taking comments by email? In 1999, a Board Certified Psychiatrist practicing in Oakland, California wrote a letter to the parole board on behalf of Diane Downs to explain how things had changed since 1984 when she was diagnosed with a severe personality disorder. He did not consider her a risk factor at all and believed she would do well if released into society, because she had no prior history of violence and never had a problem with violence or bad behavior while incarcerated. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. Golden State Killer: Where Is the Prolific Rapist and Murderer Today? And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. Whats wrong with the system is whats wrong with us. It appears that you have to be a perfect mother with no lovers and not afflicted with any mental illness to be considered innocent until proven guilty in America. Oh 1 more thing I see a lot of comments on pro Diane web sights that say well she drove them to the hospital. why didn't steve downs get custody - Maryland Idiomas N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. Who are Steve Downs children? I am not her advocate, but I think she did not get due process. Surely before Diane downs, there were other mothers who killed their kids..or allegedly did, however in 83 and 84 it made national news, nothing quite like it had come across the media world, which during that decade was really skyrocketing in sensationalismI believe is where it started, becoming less news and more entertainment. The case of Diane Downs and her three children is one of those a horrible tragic case that people still think about 37 years later. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks Ginsburg didn't think women should get to do what men did because she believed they would do the job better; she wanted equality for its own liberating sake. "I knew within 30 minutes of talking with that woman that she was guilty": Surgeon who helped save one of Diane Downs' kids in 1983 after she shot her recalls chilling interaction. The details about the gun missing, the daughters testimony and the fact that she had no blood or gun residues are facts. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). In my opinion, the investigation was too hasty and only focused on Diane. http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. What about the fact that they never found the gun? In what world is that O.K. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. Diane Downs children: Where are Christie and Stephen now? ..it is quite possible if she was tried in todays world, with the evidence they hadquite possible it would of went differentlywe been living in a society that pretty much demand 100% pure forensic evidence provenprobably over 10 years or longer, people expect trials to be that of a law and order TV show..I cant say thats a bad thing, or makes what happened in the 80s on back bad. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. Probably a 911 button. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. As I stated towards the beginning of my response, Im taking issue with the blog and the subjective language used. She had a bullet wound in the arm, and the three kids in the back of the blood-soaked car had all been shot at close range. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. I ndicted money launderer and noted coup enthusiast Steve Bannon has refused to sit for a deposition in front of the January 6 Select Committee. I point out some obvious facts and discrepancies, and that due process was shoved aside because the state and the media presented a guilty image right from the start. Rule made up stories to sell books and the rights to a movie. All Rights Reserved. The circumstances surrounding the case were not enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I dont understand how the family court managed to isolate 2 severely traumatized and grievously injured children from their entire family. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. This seems very punitive to have a law like this be retroactive. But there is forensic evidence pointing to Diane Downs. They were treated very badly in this matter. Knick never signed the premarital agreement and Diane never married him. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. Every single one. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. After each of the kids was shot multiple times on that fateful day in 1983, Steve cooperated with the police completely. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. There is so much to say about this blog I wouldnt know where to start. The State produced a witness (Ms. Patterson) to testify that Diane Downs entered the hospital bathroom, left the door open, and ran water in the sink (Appendix 87, page 476). It was omnipresent in the courtroom as well as the Duran Duran song, The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. Mind you, it is before the trial. 7 chilling clues in case of Diane Downs after she told cops a stranger Shes where she belongs. What followed was a tragedy subject to many interpretations. Her father also insisted shetry to help catch the shooter. I think that looked at through a more objective lens, many aspects of the Downs case are highly questionable. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie Small Sacrifices was known for her epic battles with lover Ryan ONeil. She goes on to say that she has deep regret and mourns the loss and death of her children. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. It is also very is to clean. Yes, shes as guilty as Simpson. That towel should have been soaked in their blood not hers. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). And, when she got assigned to the mail routes in the city of Cottage Grove, Oregon, as a part of her job with the U.S. postal service, he didnt have any qualms with her taking the children. Diane did not get a fair trial. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. Reasonable doubt is most certainly lacking. It was known as Manic Depression. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. She was also shot twice andifshe had been sitting up, the seats would have been covered with blood spatter as well as the shooter. 5. it also isnt right that the rules get to keep being changed after the fact as far as how often one may apply for parole. The gun is Def a big issue, the style of gun, whether it belonged to him or her, she Def had access to itthe child drew a picture of it, having large similarity to that gunbut it did always baffle me how she could find such a great hide for it in such a short period of time. She s. Lack of blood spatter is not evidence of innocence Especially when a shooter is leaning in and shooting into a box (car) while standing outside. She was more interested in the affection of men, which on that fateful day in 1983 gave her an idea. It was flawed. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? please express them and I will print them. I see that Downs had a parole hearing in late 2020 but I cant see the outcome. They never tried to reunite them with family. Once you are vilified in the media in the US, the way Downs and others have been, a lot of people shut their eyes and their mind to any other possibility than what was presented in the court of public opinion. and so on. On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. At what point during these meetings did she start calling him Dad? One of the important pieces of evidence was the absence of all but a trace of gunshot residue. Nowadays, this insanity would never be tolerated. If the answer is, to keep the public safe, then I call BS. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. Nobody knows but her. She was found guilty. That poor girl. Steve was the one who left Diane because he believed that Stephen Daniel, known as Danny, was the result of an extramarital affair that Diane had. The woman shot her children. Diane was right-handed. They sure forgot to tell us about her pulse racing during these sessions. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. Dianes parents had high hopes for her future, a future that didnt involve Steve, so they disapproved of their relationship. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. Ive not seen the movie or read the book. Do not forget that she got letters of support from a warden and psychiatrist. Fitness fanatic, 27, broke her spine lifting weights but didn't realise until she woke up the next morning unable to move - and why her terrifying injury should be a warning to all gym-goers Click to listen to podcast explaining the gun test, Dianes mental condition and the lack of forensic evidence. The weird behavior (laughing and joking in the shooting reenactment), bullets found at her home and the constant changing of her story only is icing on her guilty cake. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . The answers to those questions do not matter anymore. Substituting reasonable inference and evidence for tarot cards? Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. ..a little over year before the shooting had a surrogate babypregnancy and giving the baby awayumits donnoits the gal already had a fragile mentality.may not have been the best idea. Imagine the ones there for years. BUT like you rightly explain, there was no real evidence of her guilt. Too bad it triggered you, maybe try to stay away from sites that might not go along with the mob mentality and usual media narrative. Makes major decisions easier because only one parent is legally responsible. It always feels like punishment at all costs. The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. Not even the gun. A. I believe Charlene and I had a big blowout around Thanksgiving and I left, called Diane. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. Sometimes it takes until late in life for connections to be made again. Therefore, those jagged bones were floating in a cloth wrap, merely resting in a cloth sling. She managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Of course, because this is what she does when people put her on the spot and ask questions concerning her mother and the shooting. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? Then, they accused her of shooting her kids at close range. I just tried to find a video or article about Hugi and I only get the one or two that I already have. To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? Love Island's Jay Younger reveals what you DON'T see on the show http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 Thanks again. The fact that the judge who presided over the child welfare case and the criminal case was the same individual is absolutely a conflict of interest. Q. They rarely get a break. It seems they all went the easy way. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. She was the first to admit that at times, she was somewhat neglectful, impatient, yelled too much, and could have been a better mother, but she seemed to have turned the corner and was doing her best with the means at her disposal. My brother was a first-generation immigrant who died in police custody All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. Since his ex wife was sentenced to life in prison, he has not reappeared in public life nor has he given any television interviews about his family. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. Why does the blogger not clarify this? Even though his wife shot their children multiple times, and the case was national news, he never surfaced and kept a low profile. I would like to see her released because I do not believe in life without parole for any inmate with no priors who had a good conduct while incarcerated. The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). Youre right to say that a GSR is not always foolproof and between 10-20% of suicide GSR kits test negative for GSR. I wish she could get a new look. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? But I think that in all fairness, many of them dont even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. Mr. Jagger failed to challenge that competency. Page 40 of Case History. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. This site is protected by reCAPTCHA and the Google Privacy Policy and Terms of Service apply. When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. Kenyans Compare Rachel Ruto, Margaret Kenyatta's Looks in Maasai Outfits, Kim Kardashian Looking for Love Again, Wants to Date Someone Who Isn't Famous, Kind Officers Drop Protesters in Nairobi CBD after Being Released from Central Police Station, Oburu Oginga Hints at Raila Odinga Vying for Presidency in 2027: "He's Not Retired", Naftali Kinuthia Says He Regrets Killing Lover Ivy Wangeci Using Axe: "Too Angry to Think". . Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. And some are even contradictory: shes mentally ill, but also not mentally ill; the site owner wants to focus on pure facts, yet ignore other facts; things happened in court, but those are irrelevant to what else what also happened in court, etc. I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. Jen Taylor . Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. There is only one major problem with your scenario. The fact that there was a rush to judgment, an investigation targeting only one result and a media coverage often presenting lies is very bothersome. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. The last time I checked, it is my website and if you find it tiresome, no one is inviting you to stay or read the content; which you evidently did not read anyway. The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. #corrupt. If you had commented on one of the elements contained in the blog, it might have been enlightening. I am pointing them out. Two jurors had voted that Diane was not guilty of attempted murder or first-degree assault, but endedup voting to convict her of murder. So she warns her to stay away. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. Yet, that is exactly what the videotape showsDiane laughing hysterically about hurting her arm. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. Shes guilty. Seems to me that if that part of the story were true, and she really wanted to find her childrens shooter, she would have provided that information. You mention her youngest daughter, and how Ann made sure she only heard negative information about Diane.. Being bipolar, she had no impulse control so it should not have surprised anyone. It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. Page 35 of Case History. How ironic that the court and cops were so quick to believe Steve Downs, but he gave up on his own children after the tragedy. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? Who was Burt Reynolds married to when he died and who inherited his estate? I would also like to express my disbelief that the same judge presided over both the child welfare case and the criminal one. There is absolutely no evidence that Hungry like the Wolf was playing when Christie got shot but it is another detail they added to bring a dramatic element to this trial. And she went back to her parent's home in Arizona. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. And he grew up there. She is still in prison. It does seem time has done worse to her. The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. We could say that it was suggestive on his part, but considering how this trial was conducted, I tend to believe it happened. To this day, his record is mixed; his law license was suspended for 6 months in 2011, and there was also talk of a suspension in 2015. If you read the blog, you will see examples of his lack of dedication. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. You didnt know that?? The case is old and the blog dated, but it is never too late to respond. I think that you are right about certain things not being ignored. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. People have always been wondering about Steve Downs, Danie Downs ex-husband. They never found the gun and she showed no signs of having fired one. Here's everything you need to know. You seem to believe everyone is innocent. I dont believe there was a CK. They checked her nails to see if she could have buried the gun and they were clean. Mr. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? Three weeks after the crime, Judge Foote from family courts, removed Danny and Christie from the care of Diane Downs and her family. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. The media keeps talking about several escapes, but there was only one. The police DID fingerprint the car, from grill to trunk and in between. Did Anyone Watch 20/20 Last Night? - Page 3 - Blogs & Forums - QVC Dianes family could give you countless examples of the inaccuracies they found in her book. And so, very quickly, they formed a relationship. Speculative. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. Women who were somewhat normal begore, get pregnant, have the baby, then drown it a toilet, kill or beat the the baby in the first year..shaking or other means..its less often then notbut better believe these type of cases are reported constantly now on social media.
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